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Nicholas Weininger's avatar

In the spirit of Chesterton's Fence: the value of extensive labor markets and state infrastructure isn't just that they reduce the overall labor-intensiveness of production, it's that they provide a way for people to exit toxic personal and local relationships by taking refuge in the impersonal and the large-scale.

This is the dark side of local community: it can so easily be abusive and repressive if a family member or local elder decides to take advantage of the power their intimate relationships and commitments give them. In the precapitalist era, people typically had no recourse against that abuse. State and market both helped reduce that abuse greatly during the 19th and 20th centuries. Any plan for the reinvigoration of localism needs to preserve enough of a robust, practically viable right of exit to prevent backsliding.

I keep thinking of Jacob Levy's _Rationalism, Pluralism, and Freedom_ here. You're proposing an expansion of pluralism and that probably is, on the current margin, what we need. But the reasons for rationalism, and the problems with pluralism, that Levy discusses aren't inherently easier to address now, so they need more explicit addressing if a pluralist resurgence is actually to be net beneficial.

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Tran Hung Dao's avatar

I think one impediment to building community is that life at home has become so incredibly satisfying in modern America.

I live in a "third world country" and one thing foreign visitors always talk about is the vibrant street life. Friends meeting at cafes until 10pm on weekdays, kids playing in the streets every afternoon/evening, people sitting outside on plastic stools, etc.

But to a large extent all of that is the result of being poor. People meet at cafes because their homes have 8 people in 600 square feet. Kids play in the streets because nobody has backyards, there aren't any parks, and the schools have gates that literally lock after classes so you can't even use their playgrounds (and staying in the house sucks because it is 600 square feet....). People sit on plastic stools because the food cart owner can't afford rent on a decent place with air conditioning and nicer chairs.

Meanwhile I visit family in the US and the only reason they leave their house during our 2-week visit is to go to work or go buy something. And with work from home and online shopping there were precious few instances of that for 2 of the 4 family members. And my brother works at a grocery store so they never even need to go grocery shopping...he just picks stuff up after work. But I get it! They have nice furniture, a pool, multiple TVs, a stocked fridge, Nintendo Switch, PlayStation, streaming service, a basketball hoop, two dogs that are fun to play with, a nice coffee machine, a freezer with even more food. Bedrooms big enough you can hide out there all day if you want your own space. Two living rooms so grandpa can watch sports all day and the rest of the family can watch a movie.

I feel like you almost need some kind of stick to go with the carrot. Something to make being at home so unpleasant people will go out and meet their neighbors. Unpleasant enough that you'll keep meeting them despite all the little frictions (the house on the left is weirdly overprotective of their kids, so we don't really bother talking to them and whatnot) that would make it easy not to when just staying at home is so nice, so easy.

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