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Silversmith's avatar

I agree that the modern world of rapid economic growth has only been with us since about 1870 and I agree with J.Bradford DeLong that the things that changed to cause the rapid acceleration of growth were Globalization, the modern corporation, and the industrial laboratory. These were and are ways of organizing people to concentrate and develop thought and ideas to facilitate and distribute technology development.

While they rely on a base of both previous technical developments eg the printing press, shipping fleets, and a hundred others, they were primarily new ways to organize, and ways to think about the problems of advancing civilization. While they did this they also increased the GDP of all those involved in and supporting these activities. I maintain that GDP is a result or by-product of these activities and by basing all or measurement of advancement on GDP it biases the way we think about advancing civilization.

Not all economic and technical output is measured. The only thing that has been and is measured regularly is GDP. You have discussed the ways that GDP measurement falls short so I won't elaborate except to say I am still looking for a well being measurement that can be used consistently and has either been applied retroactively or generated a history of use. We can then use this to measure our true growth and advancement.

We currently have no way of measuring how much easier it is to get medical attention and how effective that is in comparison to the past or the rest of the world. We have no way of measuring the average stress levels of the population around food and shelter and clothing, we are instead using GDP and “infering” a result, regardless of its accuracy with regard to the general population.

I believe that our current “stagnation” in both technical and population growth is due to our lack of growth in “Civilization Ideas”. I think that this is best illustrated by Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

While the advanced economies are primarily past levels one and two (physiological and safety), a significant portion of the world is still struggling with these levels, as evidenced by the Ukraine War, and the various national struggles in Africa and South America. However the advanced economies are currently having significant struggles with levels three and four (belonging and love, and esteem) as evidenced by the recent debacles in both the United States and Brazil, as well as the ongoing struggles in America, and most of the emerging economies over civil rights, female rights, sexual rights, and freedom of expression. This signifies significant deficiencies attaining levels two three and four for the majority of humanity.

I firmly believe that our emphasis currently needs to be on developing the “Civilization Ideas” that allow us to address these current problems that are inhibiting our growth as a civilization. A significant resolution of these issues, would free up a significant portion of the worlds cognitive ability to address the technical stagnation, and the relief of pressure on the emotional status of population would address the fear and stress of having children.

I don't think that our technical progress will stop or slow to such a point as to slide back into the Malthusian Trap, but unless we figure out a way to increase our development of “Civilization Ideas” that allow us to address the ongoing disruption of our society, our technical development may only increase our ability to kill one another or actually destroy what civilization we have.

I believe that technical progress and civil progress are two separate but intertwined tracks, and that we have severely neglected the civil progress track over the last 50 to 100 years. I also believe (without proof) that both civil and technical progress need to be on approximately equal levels to develop a stable society, and our neglect of the civil side will cause increasing disruption until resolved or a mass destructive event occurs which forces us to reorder our civilization.

I also believe in the maxim that if you cannot measure a thing you cannot improve it. We need to develop a method for defining and measuring civil society and the satisfaction and well being of its citizens. This is the technology that should be our most important objective. If you are aware of any efforts in this area that are widely well regarded I would appreciate your sharing them.

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Kent's avatar

Technological progress slows, but it leaves us at a high enough level to devote a much larger percentage of resources to advance civilization. But in order to reallocate resources, we must recognize the stagnation at hand.

Our system is built on competition, but without innovation due to insufficient investment, it will increasingly result in cannibalism by the elderly. That is the system at hand; there can be no political solution until the problem is acknowledged. Lindsey doesn't have to solve the problem, as much as raise the problem for future minds to solve, because this is a long-term problem.

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